Library Week and celebration of the Memorial Library's 50 years!!! 
Congratulations to all!

Council meets on Monday 20th, then next on 28th the Tuesday after the federal
election.

PUBLIC HEARINGS/MEETING  re proposed four-storey Hollyburn Medical Centre 17th
and Marine.
Sign to be on Speakers' List, starting beforehand at *** 6pm *** Tuesday, 28th.
[It may be televised that evening and not repeated.]

BUDGET 2001 - Draft Operating Budget available Nov 15 (from Hall/website);
Capital Nov 20th
                Public Meetings: Nov 22 (Seniors' Centre), 23 (Library), 30
(Gleneagles)

VOLUNTEER for MEMBERSHIP ON MUNICIPAL BOARDS/COMMITTEES/COMMISSIONS
Deadline extended to noon Nov 30th
If you wish to serve on the Library Board or an advisory body, please call the
Hall (925-7000) and offer your services.  There are vacancies coming up and are
usually filled in December with appointment to start in January.  Meetings are
usually once a month.  There was a notice in Tidings, WV's announcement page in
the North Shore News (again on Nov 19).  Clerk's has descriptions on the
various bodies if you wish to enquire about what is expected and the mandates. 
A written application by mail or fax (925-7006) expressing interest is
welcomed, an attached cv is optional.

ADVISORY PLANNING COMMISSION
The next meeting is Wed 22nd at 4:30 and since so important and open to the
public, the agenda appears in this issue under Events & Meetings.  It was not
posted but appears on the website.

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These sections follow:

A       QUESTION
B       EVENTS & MEETINGS
                including APC Agenda for Nov 22
C       NOV 20th CCL AGENDA (main items)

D       NOV 14th CCL MTG NOTES  (broadcast Sat 18th at 1:30)

E       UPDATES  
                Rec Facilities, ADP, CSAC, Storm Diversion
F       INFObits - Caulfeild
G       QUOTATION
H       FULL NOV 20th CCL MTG AGENDA 
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A       QUESTION

The draft operating budget came out Nov 15, and the evening for residents of
the east to comment is Nov 22.   Do you feel a week is enough time?

[There'll be another at the Library Nov 23 and one for the west on Nov 30.]
 
With the draft capital budget planned for release Nov 21st, this gives one day!


B       EVENTS & MEETINGS

***  WEDNESDAY, Nov 15th

6pm  *   ADVISORY FINANCE COMMISSION: Cancelled
7pm  *   PRAC meeting cancelled

***  THURSDAY, Nov 16th

3:30pm  *   YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE
                Ambleside Youth Centre; new DARE program on agenda

***  FRIDAY, Nov 17th
Scotch-tasting at Royal Canadian Legion

***  SATURDAY, Nov 18th at the Library

50th Anniversary celebration
10 - 5pm ~ Friends of the Library Mini Bookstore
1pm ~ Nick Bantock will give a reading/slide show and sign copies of his new
book which will be available for purchase. 
        Peter J. Peters Meeting Room - Pre-register at the Fiction Information
Desk
Celebration piped in by Royal Canadian Legion Branch 60
2:30 ~ Birthday cake and contest winners announced
2:30 - 3:30 ~ Harp Music by Mike Absalom

***  SUNDAY, Nov 19th, 10 - 3pm
Christmas Craft Market
Community Centre and Seniors' Activity Centre; ph 925-7270 for info

***  BUDGET MEETINGS: Nov 22, 23, 30 at 7pm (see above)

***  WEDNESDAY, Nov 22nd 

-  7pm  *  WV Historical Society at Seniors' Activity Centre 

        Speaker: Simon Jackson, A Saviour for the Spirit Bear (Time Magazine
called him)
        Topic:  The Preservation of the Spirit Bear
        Simon is a graduate of Sentinel and taking a year off for this cause.

-  4:30pm   *  ADVISORY PLANNING COMMISSION

NOTICE OF REGULAR MEETING  Nov 22 at 4:30pm, Conference Room
1.
 AGENDA -  For approval
2.
 MINUTES -  a)  Minutes of September 27, 2000 -  For adoption
3.
REPORTS
a)  Council Report - Councillor Allan Williams
b)  Recreation Facilities Standing Committee -  Cclr Williams
c)  School Board -  Trustee Erica Bell-Lowther
d)  Advisory Design Panel -  Freda Pagani
e)  Engineering Advisory Panel -  Vince Thompson
f)   Parks & Recreation Advisory Commission -  Marie Moscovitch
4.
APC BUSINESS
a) Committee/Commission Review
October 13, 2000 letter from Margaret K. Warwick, Municipal Clerk, to the
Chairs, re "review of roles of.Advisory Committees".
5.
CORRESPONDENCE & FURTHER INFORMATION
a)
Official Community Plan Steering Group
Invitation from Cclr Jeanie Ferguson, Chair, Official Community Plan Select
Cmte
6.
 NEXT MEETING - January 24, 2001
7.
 ADJOURNMENT
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and remember  --  WEDNESDAY, Nov 29

British Properties' Area Homeowners' Association Annual General Meeting


C       NOV 20th CCL AGENDA (main items)

=  Standing Committee on Recreation Facility Planning.
        a) Gleneagles Environmental Review.
        b) Architect’s Review of Gleneagles Site and Road Relocation.
=  Comments re TransLink Submissions to Federal Government.


D       NOV 14th CCL MTG NOTES

Cclrs Clark and Durman absent.

Presentations:
- Bahai
- Mountain Risks and Safety Program
        Cclr Haycock said there should be legislation; right now there is no
punishment for those who go out of bounds and others have to risk their lives
to rescue them.

~~  Budget 2001 Slide Presentation

This was introduced by the MManager who is charting a new course, followed by
each Department head.
The MManager has included a perfomance reporting mechanism.  
The Director of Finance talked about facility renewal, improved public
consultation, ten-year expenditure plan for major facilities and projects,
focus on community appearance.  There is now a reduced time frame because
instead of being passed in May the budget now has to be passed by Dec 31. 
Staff started its review in September and he is hoping to increase public
consultation.

*** The proposed tax increase is 1.44%. ***

=  The MClerk's Dept is doing a complete review of the bylaws (plain language
an aim), a new procedure manual, and an administration policy manual.  The
MClerk is currently looking into changes to the committee system and structure
involving also the need for, benefit from, and their terms of reference.   
=  Human Resources said they need a new system because the one they have is no
longer supported.  
{Strange.  What happened?  We'll look into this.}
=  Finance referred to the Andersen Consulting study and said they would begin
implementing the technology plan for 2001; the Finance's system is not
user-friendly and they will seek a new system.  {Looks like another computer
item.}
=  The Police said they would expand use of email internally and outside, have
computer dispatch.
=  The Fire Dept was pleased with the new fire trucks and a priority will be to
replace the Horseshoe Bay fire hall.  Where?  Will report early next year.
=  Engg and Public Works hopes to include the public in some public projects,
better than in past.
=  Planning, Lands, and Permits (the new dept name) of course will be involved
in the reviews of the OCP and bylaws.  They are also doing an inventory of our
assets, land and buildings.
=  Parks and Community Services (another new dept name) said they had
additional planning functions and now have responsibility for the Capilano View
Cemetery.  Recreation has telephone and internet 24 hours a day, one of the
first; expect increase in fees and charges.  They've been given additional
funds for community appearance.  Facility development includes: civic site
planning, the aquatic centre, Gleneagles planning, and the Seniors' Centre
expansion.  Staff is working on a plan for playing fields and a Gleneagles
business plan.
=  The Library's one year of free maintenance is over {mental note: find out
what support charges will now be and what choices there are}.  The website is
up and accessible 24 hours a day.  There are staff training costs as well. 
Core services review is planned.  Facility renewal issues include moving out
the house into the main building.  {Let's not forget Nov 18th to celebrate a
great 50 years of service to WV!}
 
{Please note this is the draft operating budget.  Copies will be available from
the Hall Wednesday 15th and it will be put on the Web.   The capital budget is
planned to be released Monday Nov 20.}

For input, write budget@westvancouver.net or call 925-7183.

Public meetings will be held Nov 22 (for east) at the Seniors' Activity Centre,
23 (Library, for all), and 30 (for west) at Gleneagles Elementary.

~~  The rules were then suspended for the rest of the meeting.

~~  Dog Licence Appeal

Heart wrenching tale to be continued next week.  
In WV, two dogs are allowed but this family has a third dog and some complaints
have been received.  This family has seven children, many with special needs. 
They have two dogs three and seven who are now licensed (one had got out and
SPCA said dogs had to be licensed) and their third is 13 years old, not in good
health.  The owner claimed they were kept tied in yard.  Neighbours said they
were loose and barking.  Cclr Haycock asked why the two younger were licensed
and not the oldest.  Much debate and then asked staff to report and check with
Police (re complaints); come back next week.  Passed with Cclr Haycock opposed.

~~  Report - TransLink

Mayor Wood gave us the bad news having met with Finance Martin that little
likelihood of help from the federal govt.  The levy is still looming over us.

~~  PQP

=  Tom Marshall, who has served on the Board of Variance for fourteen years,
brought up new legislation proposed with regard to the BofV, objecting
vociferously.  Cclr Wms, former Attorney General, agreed with his concerns over
this puzzling development.  It may be discussed at UBCM.  The MMgr said they
were aware of it and preparing a contingency plan.

=  Carolanne Reynolds (President of ADRA and the NSh Heritage Cmte) asked:
- what time the budget meetings would be [Answer 7pm -- because it hadn't been
given earlier, I just put some of the answers above so all in one place]; 
- when the draft budget would be available [as above, again not mentioned at
time]; 
- if there would be a charge for it [because in the past we've had to pay so it
was great to learn it would be free this time]; and
- whatever happened to the zoning for parks and their protection -- something
ADRA and the North Shore Heritage Committee has been asking about now
periodically for over two years since staff had revealed that Gleneagles, for
example, was zoned residential and some estimated worth $55m, and a large
structure was proposed for Ambleside Park.  While we believe Council is sincere
in saying it's a priority, it is taking rather a long time for any results
though promised.  [One could almost hear the glee and relief in the Dir of
Parks' response that with the reorganisation now it was the responsibility of
the Dir of Planning.   {Well, has it joined the elusive Upper Lands Study
circling in the sky?}]
{Okay, Steve, over to you!}

{BTW, in conversation with Mayor Wood a couple of days later when I expressed
concern that the late release of the draft capital budget meant very little
time for citizens and groups to review it, he said that because it was the
capital budget, we'd actually have a couple of months to discuss it.}

E       UPDATES  

~~  WV Sch District
Belatedly but thought we should report that $1,475,346 was received from the
Ministry of Education funding to proceed with the second stage of Phase III
renovations that will upgrade the Fine and Performing Arts areas of WV
Secondary School.

~~  Lions' Gate Bridge

Closures even during the week at 8pm to 6am, then postponed because of delays
in moving the jacking traveller.  It's virtually a case of checking daily if
you have to rush back.   We understand that work may resume before Dec 8
otherwise postponed to January.

~~  Rec Facilities Planning Standing Cmte

=  Meeting Nov 9

-Field Lighting
Concern was expressed at the shortage so boys and girls being turned away from
sports because not able to be accommodated.  Report should go to Council Nov
20.

- Gleneagles - Presentation and Report from Patkau Architects

A document was distributed on the results of their review, a summary for their
reasons for moving Marine Drive.  The met regularly with the Gleneagles Cmte
Staff and Paul Webster.  They said they were provided with "the context from
which we went forward with our analysis".  On page 3 they had prepared two site
drawings: Marine Drive and moved Marine Drive.  They said the following as I
heard it:
"We overlayed the building as we understood expansion, future, trails.....not
intended to represent designs....diagram/characteristics for comparison.  This
exercise helped us confirm in our own minds many advantages to moving Marine
Drive:
1       Community Centre on other side from Hydro Station and overhead wires
2       school then on same side, share facilities
3       opportunity to provide larger playing fields
4       enhance trail opportunities {I think that's what I heard}
5       consolidating on west side limits need for pedestrian crossings
6       in both schemes able to locate on both sides
7       easier construction site of Marine Drive moved
8       likely less blasting
9       replacement of overflow parking, desirable on same side
10      predicated on relocation of golf's worksyard
11      parking relationships and proximity
12      building approached from one end
13      east side more restrictive; site tends to force linear arrangement
14      site on west side of Marine Dr; ability to layer (larger?) parking and
green spaces
15      greater future expansion options
16      {some other advantage I didn't catch}"

Patkau gave a summary of conclusions referring to the Gleneagles corridor,
central, north, and south use areas ending with "Locate as far east as possible
to be able to maximize land use".
They want to consider nature of relationship between the sidewalk and road,
perhaps trees, etc. to separate the area for pedestrian safety and enhance the
walkway.
Cclr Soprovich asked if they'd considered moving portions of MDr.
David (of Patkau) replied "Yes, in south eg supported because it creates a much
safer intersection at Eagle Ridge Drive, maximizes the area for future
develoopment, parking, and possible residential."
Cclr Durman {obviously aware of the public present as observers} jumped in
right away saying, "We will not touch the golf course....NO possibility....no
one is accepting [everything in report which] just gave us range.  NO
clearcutting.  NO residential."
Cclr Sop, pointing at map, "8 shouldn't be in here."
MMgr: So maps should be revised?
Cclr Durman:  "Council has made a decision, nothing should be in the golf
course."
Cclr Wms:  Orchill Rd parking is gone.....so David has not touched the golf
course.
David: In the relocated version the the worksyard has been affected.
Cclr Wms:  flexible re [clubhouse]?....inordinate amount of parking west of no.
4.
David: design not completed.
Cclr Durman:  Hughes suggested North for community centre and South other uses,
but you're not tied to community centre in centre?....south portion?  only
looking at it from road point of view?...doesn't have to be in centre.
David: Yes.
Dir of Planning: Not worth spending time and effort re detail.
Cclr Durman:  You've looked at everything and you say move?
Yes
Cclr Wms:  Then you can look at soils, etc, and decide where to put.  Your
recommendation p 4 can go to Council
Cclr Sop: Were you told you could use your imagination?  What about Community
Centre on side of hill?  Looks like you looked at Hughes report -- doesn't
appear you used any imagination.
Landscape Consultant:  Limitation of site, parking.  The access is from one
end.  The reasons were site issues -- access, parking, one end.  Should we
[missed word here] that site we could come up with a fantastic building.
Cclr Durman:  How many groups have to tell you the same conclusion?
Dir of Planning: It has to be a serious look.  Once decided to move [MDr] over,
N and S end more flexibility.  Totally move it? move a little? not at all?
leave south end?
Cclr Wms:  We'll make a motion re Patkau after decision re relocation of MDr. 
This committee [would] accept the recommendation and direct the architects to
go ahead and design, choose site and design buildings, accept recommendation to
move it east.
Cclr Durman:  Glad out of the blue same recommendation.
Cclr Wms: Speak to Paul Webster.
Then there was a discussion with Engg (also reporting from EAP] about the width
of MDr -- mostly 7 metres, same 8 metres; problem of transit buses, can't turn,
no problem once community buses.

-  Public excluded for:
        Environmental Report
        Community Centre Program Spaces

{Members of the public present of course withdrew but still do not fully
understand how these two items could qualify to be in camera: land, legal, and
personnel -- how so?????}

=  Meeting Nov 16

So easy and quick to report on this meeting.  I arrived at the Hall about seven
minutes after the posted commencement to be told by some waiting outside that
the door was locked and no one was in there, no meeting.  (Usually the
conference room door is ajar as members of the Standing Cmte wander in during
the minutes just before and after stated time. )  This seasoned veteran could
not believe it so tapped gently on the door.  Nothing.  Tapped again and turned
handle.  Locked.  Nothing.  Tapped again and juggled door knob.  Voila!  The
door opened and was told, "Oh we're just starting the meeting."  We entered,
sat down, and were told the public would be excluded for the rest of the
meeting.  We duly trooped out.
Then the architects went in (Hotson Bakker on central community centre site).

{Again.  Since preliminary drawings -- the architects went in with display
boards -- are hardly the stuff of secrecy and in camera....  Makes one suspect
they're discussing timing.....  We keep being told a decision has not been made
as to which Community Centre to build first (thought Parks staff strongly
favour western first) but we'll be looking for unnecessary delays or haste on
the relative sites.  How do we challenge a Chair's ruling that the public is to
be excluded?}

~~  Community Services Advisory Commission - Nov 8

=  Amalgamation with PRAC

Corp looking to reduce admin costs; more cons than pros.

There are 42 committees.  The MClerk is conducting 40-minute interviews with
representatives of the cmte/commissions (and each group has been given a
questionnaire to fill out with about 40 questions for written response
including with regard to purpose, goal, role, if disagreement with motion how
recorded, budget, attendance of public).
Cclr Ferguson said exclusion of the public at cmte meetings came up recently at
UBCM but was defeated.  {I understand WV voted to allow the public to attend;
Cclr Ferguson gave some background -- Jenny Kwan felt excluded when on
Vancouver Council so put this through as Minister of Municipal Affairs -- and
said it's a right that would be difficult to take away once granted.}
One member said it would be inappropriate for public to be present during
discussions of funding to groups (and applicants may find it threatening) and
about the housing policy.
{Remember, CSAC doles out $82,000 in grants to local groups.}
She said having the public would lead to self-censorship.  Her religious
group's executive decides in camera and then announces results to.members. 
Another member expressed concern it would affect deliberations
Although the grants are forwarded to Council for approval (and presumably
review), the Chair pointed out that Council relies on CSAC's recommendations.
{And, yes, indeed, normally Council passes CSAC's grant recommendations
forwarded in a memo.
With all due respect, what a private group does is not analogous and entirely
up to them.  In the case of CSAC, it is $82,000 of public/taxpayers' money. 
There are established criteria for allocating the grants so why would openness
be a problem?  Should the basis and procedure be secret?  What's the problem if
an objective guide used?  It's obvious why it would be preferred to be in
camera if decisions are subjective or involve favouritism.}
When they mused about having in camera items and others unsure of how things
worked with public in attendance, the Chair gave leave to me to explain that in
practice citizens in attendance have not spoken however sometimes the Chair of
an advisory body has asked if anyone had a comment or even directed a question
to an observer.  To exclude the public, the members have to have a motion and
vote on it, and exclusion is allowed only for specific topics -- land, legal,
and personnel.
There are vacancies in the membership of CSAC so suggestions were made to
publicise this seeking new members, including perhaps an ad in the North Shore
News.  A notice has been in Tidings asking for applicants to the District's
advisory bodies.
There was discussion on affordable housing and choosing a representative for
the OCP Review working group.  Cclr Ferguson explained the 18-month plan.
Reports were given on North Shore Family Services, YAC and the DARE program,
SecureCare.  There are not enough detox faciolities.
The next meeting will be like a Christmas party Dec 13 in a member's home.
{Hm.  Hope no actual meeting or agenda or awkward to accommodate public
observers!  Well, maybe they could bring a cake.}

~~  Advisory Design Panel - Nov 9

No Councillor present.

=  The proposed Fire Hall storage shed engendered lots of discussion re
preservation of trees, shrubbery, location of storage tanks; come back then.

=  Seniors' Centre Expansion
Many suggestions were made regarding the atrium and letting more light in,
being able to open windows, panels.  The architects, Tanaka, and the project
manager, while initially concerned over delay when they were anxious to get
started, left appreciative and grateful for what they felt was helpful and for
improvements.

=  ADP Awards Program
Hm.  Many controversial comments and some amusement.  Debate over every year or
two years and whether when building completed (answer was yes; some take two
and a half years to complete).

{Later I did say on the surface and to a lay person it seemed strange only
those buildings that have come to the ADP are considered.  What about others
which may be better?  If they've all come to the ADP and the ADP makes
recommendations regarding design changes, aren't they in some sense critiquing
their own suggested designs?|

Anyway, they were a great positive constructive group for this meeting.  Next
meeting scheduled for Nov 23 if items referred so there's an agenda.
 
~~  Storm Diversion -- Hay Park/Queens/Whitby Subdivision/Environmental Study

Here's the reply received, sorry for delay in putting this in the Ccl News.  I
attended the Streamkeepers meeting Thursday Nov 16 and delivered this letter
asking if they had reviewed the environmental study with reference to the
creeks.  Not yet, they said. 
.....................................
October 16, 2000

Dear Mrs. Reynolds:

             re: Storm Water Diversion Project - Environmental Assessment

Fisheries and Oceans Canada's Habitat and Enhancement Branch and B.C.
Environment required that the District of West Vancouver engage an
environmental consultant for this project due to instream works. Whitehead
Environmental Consultants Ltd. submitted a Mitigation and Compensation Plan on
May 26, 2000 to the above groups. The report, which may be viewed in the
Engineering Department, Municipal Hall, provides background information on the
project, anticipated habitat losses, recommended impact mitigation measures,
and riparian restoration prescriptions for the instream work sites at Ski Lift
Road and near the intersection of 21st Street and Queens Avenue. There was also
a requirement established for habitat compensation and an additional report was
submitted. 

This environmental assessment forms part of the process to acquire
authorization for works or undertakings within creeks between August 1st and
September 22nd, 2000.

If you have any further questions regarding the environmental assessment
prepared for this project, please contact the undersigned at 925-7156.

Yours truly,
Pamela Ades, P.Eng.
Land Development Engineer


F       INFObits 

And now for some WV trivia:
....Murchie's Millennium tea with sugar and milk is yummy
....Dundarave's bookstore has the BC Encyclopedia on sale at 30% off until Nov
20.

In honour of the Library's 50th Anniversary, a bit about their REFERENCE
SERVICES

A bit of heritage -- Caulfeild

The distinctive features of West Vancouver go well beyond the Library.  Just
look to the community's historical names, such as Caulfeild.  [It was named]
after West Vancouver pioneer Francis William Caulfeild, who originally came
from Clovelly in Cornwall, England.  The result is, besides the naming of
Caulfeild residential district and Caulfeild Plateau, as well as Caulfeild
Drive, Caulfeild Court, and Caulfeild Place, we also have the street name
Clovelly Walk.  So, what's so distinctive?  Well, a general survey of the
surname Caulfeild finds that it is normally spelled "Caulfield", even in
Britain.  The name's origin is thought to have been derived from the Old
English ceauld, meaning "cold" + feld, meaning "pasture, open country, field." 
Perhaps the insertion of the "i" to represent the "ee" sound caused some
confusion. One could argue that Caulfeild, rather than Caulfield, more
accurately reflects its roots.


G       QUOTATION

Let me tell you the secret that has led me to my goal. My strength lies solely
in my tenacity.
                        -  Louis Pasteur, chemist and bacteriologist
(1822-1895)
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H       FULL NOV 20th CCL MTG AGENDA  7:30 p.m.

1.Call to Order.
2.Adoption of Minutes.
3.Approval of Agenda.
4.Development Permit Application No. 91-08 for Subdivision
  (5671 Westport Road).For Issuance
5.(Minor) Development Permit Application No. 00-18 (2302/2304 Bellevue
Avenue).For Issuance

6.Standing Committee on Recreation Facility Planning.
a) Gleneagles Environmental Review.
b) Architect’s Review of Gleneagles Site and Road Relocation.

7.Christmas in Dundarave Event - December 2, 2000.
8.3330 Radcliffe Avenue (Forshore Retaining Wall).

9.Comments re TransLink Submissions to Federal Government.

10.Reports from Mayor, Councillors.
11.Recommendations from Advisory Bodies.
12.Information Items.
13.Correspondence.
14.Public Questions.
15.Adjournment.
Rules May Be Suspended (allows opportunity for Public comment).